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first time here, you are very clear, WHO HAS THE BULLET?
Sound analysis shows shot came from ground level, not roof top, 70-90 meters away, not 150-200. Tyler is a patsy. https://www.youtube.com/live/Dlt20wm1AEw?si=reenoFhG3iGK9fcJ
Filed: 17 SEP 2025 | Updated: 06 AUG 2026 | Author: Marco R. Torres, MD, NRP, FP-C | MED-TAC International Corp.
This post has been fully rewritten. The original version was published seven days after the 10 September 2025 shooting at Utah Valley University, when almost nothing clinical was in the public record. It was updated once on 25 September 2025. Since then a preliminary hearing has been held, an autopsy report has been entered into evidence, a projectile fragment recovered at autopsy has been forensically examined, and the man who put his hands on the wound has described what he did. Most of what this post previously listed as unconfirmed is now either answered or permanently unanswerable.
The standard here has not changed: we separate what is established from what is claimed from what is inferred from general trauma science. We do not invent wound-track detail. As of this writing no forensic pathologist has testified publicly in this case, and the complete autopsy report has never been released.
This is the section that matters most to our readership, and it did not exist when this post was first written.
Brian Harpole, who led Kirk’s private security detail, described the response in a public podcast interview. His account, in sequence:
Evidence tier: This is a first-person participant account given in a media interview. It is not a patient care report, an EMS run sheet, or sworn testimony, and it has not been corroborated by clinical documentation. Recall under that degree of stress is imperfect by definition — the “36 feet of gauze” figure in particular should be read as an honest estimate, not a measured quantity. Treat it as high-value but uncorroborated.
In the spring of 2026 a defense filing disclosed that the ATF “was unable to identify the bullet recovered at autopsy to the rifle allegedly tied to Mr. Robinson.” That single sentence was widely reported as a mismatch, and it fed a fresh wave of conspiracy content. It is not what the report said.
The forensic point our readers should take away is narrower and more useful than the headline: the fragment’s existence is itself the finding. A recovered jacket fragment establishes that the projectile disrupted inside the body rather than passing cleanly through — which is entirely consistent with a high-velocity rifle round striking bone in the cervical region.
Shorter than it was in September 2025 — but the items that remain are the clinically decisive ones.
| Claim / report | Status | Medical assessment |
|---|---|---|
| Projectile did not exit; retained in the body | Supported | A bullet jacket fragment was recovered at autopsy. A rifle round striking cervical bone can fragment, shed its jacket, and retain fragments. The absence of a classic exit wound in a high-velocity neck GSW is unusual but not remarkable when bone is struck. |
| Ballistics “did not match” the recovered rifle | Misstated | The finding was inconclusive in both directions — neither identified nor excluded. Deformed jacket fragments routinely lack reproducible toolmarks. This is a limitation of the specimen, not evidence of a different weapon. |
| A tourniquet should have been applied | Wrong | The neck is a junctional site. A circumferential tourniquet is not survivable there and is not taught in any civilian or military hemorrhage-control curriculum. The correct answer for junctional neck hemorrhage is exactly what was described: pack the wound and hold aggressive direct pressure. |
| “Doll’s eyes” observed at the scene | Uncorroborated participant account | Colloquially used to describe a fixed, vacant gaze. Formally, the oculocephalic reflex is a brainstem test that cannot be performed on a patient with a potentially unstable cervical spine, and cannot be interpreted at all in an awake patient. As reported, this is a layperson’s description of an unresponsive patient with absent purposeful gaze, not a documented neurologic exam finding. |
| Wound packing plus continuous manual pressure en route | Uncorroborated participant account; doctrinally correct | For junctional neck hemorrhage this is the intervention. Whether it was mechanically effective depends entirely on which vessels were injured — information that is not public. |
| Faster or different EMS care would have changed the outcome | Unknowable on the public record | Survivability turns on structures injured and time to definitive surgical control. Neither is public. Anyone asserting a confident answer in either direction — that he was savable, or that he never had a chance — is speculating. |
Strip the politics out and this is a junctional hemorrhage case with a lay-responder first-care phase, a non-permissive scene, and private-vehicle transport. Every one of those elements is instructive.
Extremity doctrine does not transfer. There is no tourniquet answer here. Junctional neck hemorrhage is managed by wound packing with direct, deep, sustained pressure over the bleeding source — not a bandage laid on top, not a pressure dressing wrapped circumferentially around the neck. Pack into the wound tract, apply pressure with the heel of the hand or fingers directly onto the vessel, and do not let go. Three minutes of held pressure, minimum, before you even consider assessing whether it is working. In transport, the person holding pressure has one job and does nothing else.
Related and non-negotiable: never wrap anything circumferentially around the neck. If you need to secure a dressing, anchor it under the opposite axilla, not around the airway.
This was a civilian mass-gathering event with an active threat of unknown location. That is TECC territory — Tactical Emergency Casualty Care — not TCCC. The two frameworks are separate and do not mirror each other. TECC explicitly accounts for untrained bystanders, unarmored casualties, pediatric patients, and the reality that most civilian responders cannot suppress a threat. The security detail’s decision to cover the patient with their own bodies, then move rather than treat in place, is a textbook Direct Threat to Indirect Threat transition under TECC.
With junctional hemorrhage that cannot be tourniqueted, definitive control is surgical. There is no field intervention that fixes a disrupted great vessel in the neck. Under those conditions, the clock that matters is the one running to an operating room, and every second spent on scene attempting interventions that cannot solve the problem is a second subtracted from that clock. Packing and pressure during movement — which is what was described — is the correct sequencing.
That does not resolve whether refusing on-site EMS was the right call. Those are two different questions, and only the second one is contested.
The reported materials are worth examining honestly. Four-by-four gauze pads and “hemostatic 4×4s” are not the right tool for packing a deep junctional wound. They are small, they are difficult to feed into a tract, they are easy to lose count of, and they provide poor surface area against a bleeding vessel. Rolled hemostatic gauze is the tool for this job — a continuous roll you can feed into the wound with one hand while maintaining pressure with the other, and which comes out as one piece. CoTCCC-recommended hemostatic dressings are supplied in roll format for exactly this reason.
If your protective detail, event medical plan, or vehicle kit is built around 4×4 pads for hemorrhage control, fix that this week. Also carry more than one roll. Deep junctional wounds consume gauze at a rate that surprises people who have never packed one.
The first hands on this wound belonged to a security professional, not a paramedic, and pressure was applied in roughly five seconds. That interval is the entire ballgame in arterial hemorrhage, and it is not achievable by any EMS system on earth — only by the person already standing there. Protective details, event staff, venue security, and educators need to be trained and equipped to the level of immediate hemorrhage control, because they are the only people who will ever be present at second zero.
Holding effective deep pressure on a neck wound in a vehicle running traffic, with an open door, while being physically held in place by a teammate, is not something anyone does well the first time. If your team’s plan includes self-transport, rehearse care-in-motion. Practice who holds pressure, who drives, who navigates, who calls ahead, and who physically stabilizes the person doing the treatment.
Self-transport bypasses the single greatest advantage EMS provides, which is not treatment — it is notification. A trauma team assembled and waiting at the door is worth more than most prehospital interventions. If you are self-transporting, someone in that vehicle is on the phone with the receiving facility before you arrive.
We are a clinical organization and we will address this clinically, once.
The absence of a released autopsy report is not evidence of concealment. It is Utah law. The absence of a visible exit wound is not evidence of a staged event; it is consistent with a fragmenting rifle round striking bone, and a recovered jacket fragment supports it. An inconclusive ballistics comparison is not evidence of a different shooter; it is what happens when a deformed fragment lacks intact bearing surface. The medical examiner declining to hold a press conference is unhelpful for public understanding, but it is not anomalous.
None of that means every question is answered. The wound track, the structures injured, the resuscitation timeline, and the on-site EMS access question remain genuinely open. There is a real distinction between unanswered and suppressed, and it is worth holding onto.
We will update this post if and when any of the above produces verifiable clinical information. We will not update it on the basis of social media claims, unsourced video, or anyone announcing they have obtained “the autopsy report.”
A man died of a neck wound in front of thousands of people, and the first medical care he received came from someone who was there for a completely different reason. That is not unusual. That is the norm. The person who stops the bleeding is almost never the person who was hired to.
Check your kit for rolled hemostatic gauze. Learn to pack a junctional wound. Train the people around you to do the same. If you want the field reference we use for this, start at tactical-medicine.com/brief.
Clinical note: this analysis is based entirely on publicly available reporting and court proceedings. MED-TAC International Corp. has no involvement in this case, no access to any medical record, and no relationship with any party. Nothing here should be read as a determination of cause, survivability, or standard of care. It is published as a teaching case for the tactical and emergency medicine community.
first time here, you are very clear, WHO HAS THE BULLET?
Sound analysis shows shot came from ground level, not roof top, 70-90 meters away, not 150-200. Tyler is a patsy. https://www.youtube.com/live/Dlt20wm1AEw?si=reenoFhG3iGK9fcJ
Depends kn type of bullet FMJ vs hollow point